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JakeBradley
06-30-2012, 01:38 PM
Gang,

Here's a quick snap of my current V-41 setup that I just put together.

This includes a prototype (hoping to be released very soon) BOA belt with stock bindings (new system also coming very soon).

Total weight including all bolts and hardware is 31.2, using a $50 scale. Weights are on the picture.

The tower and bar look stout and ready for some massive air. I'm pumped to get out on the water very soon and get some video and multiple rider testimonial reviews.

I'd suggest calling AirChair and ordering yours today, chances are people (self included) were waiting patiently for the release and are now getting on the list for one. I'm honored to be on the list of the very first ones to receive the bar and tower. Pictured with the awesome Raptor and my trusty modified Falcon made by Xtreme Foils.

Ride on!

bstroop
06-30-2012, 06:57 PM
Nothing negative about it in any way............weird.

kadoogan
06-30-2012, 10:55 PM
Hey Jake , does that front wing have an upward bend to it ?
-Farrell

FBaum
07-01-2012, 06:10 AM
call me wrong, but
chinese would copy better
???

KO1
07-01-2012, 08:14 AM
Looks Good!!

Tigebri
07-01-2012, 02:06 PM
I've been borrowing a new set up from Air Chair for the last few weeks! I am getting mine on Monday. I am so stoked to be ridding with a purpose again. Vesely's coming on tour with a vengence next season!

EricR
07-01-2012, 03:47 PM
I've been borrowing a new set up from Air Chair for the last few weeks! I am getting mine on Monday. I am so stoked to be ridding with a purpose again. Vesely's coming on tour with a vengence next season!

Its been fun watching you getting use to a modern ski. Everything you are throwing now is much bigger!

JakeBradley
07-01-2012, 05:13 PM
Its been fun watching you getting use to a modern ski. Everything you are throwing now is much bigger!

Ladies and Gentlemen, BRIAN VESELY!

Foiltech
07-01-2012, 09:51 PM
Jake you say its a 41" is that measured from the underside of the board to the top of the fuselage where the front wing bolts on ? Had some one ask me the same question but i couldnt answer it

Mike
07-02-2012, 08:01 AM
Jake, Is that a similar seat to the Xair version only lighter? After talking to some riders this weekend and killing my lower back I think I might be ready to try one of these bushing style seats. My evo is good but would love to take a little more of the edge off on some of the more abrupt landings.

EricR
07-02-2012, 08:30 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/b8fd1b31-af52-1b87.jpg

AC on left X Air right... AC using thinner plate but added gussets near tbar bolts and added supports. AC was lighter but I don't remember how much. AC offering two different seat options. This was what I remembered from Bobs show and tell during the Havasu flyin.

Sent from my van down by the river!

EricR
07-02-2012, 09:39 AM
Jake you say its a 41" is that measured from the underside of the board to the top of the fuselage where the front wing bolts on ? Had some one ask me the same question but i couldnt answer it

From Vesely....

Board to bottom of front wing surface is 40" to the bottom of the bar it's 42.25"

Sent from my van down by the river!

Foiltech
07-03-2012, 12:52 AM
Thanks for that. That makes it the same as the FT40

Mike
07-03-2012, 04:43 AM
sounds like someone is trying to squeeze an inch in there..... V-40?

Mike
07-03-2012, 09:15 AM
I Have a Serious Question - Why is there a horizontal brace welded in on the top of the AC seat? Wouldn't this limit the travel of the seat plate? I know I bottom out my evo now as it is. The Xair seat doesn't have it. Does this mean the Xair will have more travel? You can see in ferns vid that it flexes a lot and travels quite a bit. It would suck to bottom out on the AC seat - Those welds wouldn't last long....

EricR
07-03-2012, 09:46 AM
If you look at the pic JB posted the brace you are asking about is to the rear. This is where the AC style flex seat hing mounts to. The pic shows what looks like a CF plate mounted to bushings. I guess if you are bottoming out you could go with larger bushings. I bottom out my CF plate on every ride on my EVO and the cross brace has never had an issue.

Mike
07-03-2012, 10:40 AM
Gotcha. I would not want that brace there if I were running bushings and a seat plate. Would it not limit travel? I'm 220ish dry and could use all of the flex I can get. I too bottom out on the evo and the brace seems to take it. However, the evo is bolted and almost mortised into the side plates and hinge knuckle. Welds fail over time and that looks like an easy target for failure. Maybe it is not necessary if you don't run the flex seat. Maybe it is necessary because they used thinner material? If it needs to be there there then maybe a "U" shape piece could be used to allow full range of travel?

EricR
07-03-2012, 10:52 AM
All good points that I have no answers for... A taller bushing would give you more travel though... I hope to have a new AC tower this month and I will let you know how it works out. I will be taking the CF seat off of my Frankenstein welded EVO and using it on the AC tower.

Mike
07-03-2012, 11:30 AM
Cool. Thanks. I have heard good things about the bushing suspension compared to the evo. I know my back would like to make the switch!

EricR
07-03-2012, 04:46 PM
sounds like someone is trying to squeeze an inch in there..... V-40?

Per AC the 41 is the measurement from the keel to bottom of board... I asked today when I inquired about availability of the new tower.

swayze
07-03-2012, 08:52 PM
I have a bit more seat time on my x air tower and I absolutley love it. No back pain other then the over rotated rolls.

Foil~N~Powell
07-07-2012, 07:51 PM
Pretty funny all the responses about how great the new towers running bushings and carbon plates are. A lot of use have been riding light weight towers with bushings and carbon for well over 5 years. Welcome to the party! Nice that there is a factory option now for the guys that wouldn't or couldn't mod there old towers. Here's to solid takeoffs and cushie landings!

foilfreak
07-11-2012, 01:45 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen, BRIAN VESELY!

Click it:

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EricR
07-11-2012, 10:24 AM
http://img.tapatalk.com/6c792a50-a8cc-9b52.jpg

I like this old pic!

Sent from my van down by the river!

Paul_Queen
07-12-2012, 12:17 PM
Is it me....or do the bolts that hold the tower to the board look tiny? ( in the original post ). I would think the bolts would be bigger?? Also do the AC and Xair towers come with the bushings / spacers and the flexible seat plate and seatpad? In all the pics I see its the tower only... with no bushings / spacers and no carbon plate or seatpad. Just curious because I like the idea of the tower moving you forward an inch or so.....so Im thinking about this tower.

bstroop
07-12-2012, 12:48 PM
X Air tower bolt is the same size you just can't use the large sky ski washers because of the bushings installed on the tower base. It comes with the bushings, carbon plate, swivels, and seat pad. I posted a picture of mine in the X Air tower review thread. The only difference is that I replaced the original flex plate bushings with some that I made myself. The only thing you need to add is a belt.

I've got about 5 good sessions on mine already and I have zero complaints.

N2Orbit
07-12-2012, 03:05 PM
I just purchased the new AC Six shooter seat tower last week with both the flex top and 1/8" G10 plate on bushings to go with my carbon board. So far, I'm really pleased with the looks and ride of this seat tower.

P.S.
Bob, also sent Greg and I the new AC-41 to demo, just to prove to us how well it rides. Well it does and the tuning and polish work looked great! Looks like AirChair is getting serious in the high end foil market. They even offered to let N2O become a dealer for AirChair(insert shameless plug)

YJim
07-12-2012, 04:35 PM
It's good to see A/C back in the high-end game! Their boards are second to none. I've only seen pictures of the new T-bar and tower but they both look sweet! Also saw some proto wings in action :-)

Nomad
07-20-2012, 01:02 PM
Your pics should be in Foil Porn as well ;)
Nice setup, looks great cant wait to see ya ride it sometime soon!!

raymanrox
08-18-2012, 11:04 AM
So, does anyone have significant seat time on the V-41 (40) tbar, and have any comments? Seems most of the comments here are anout the X air seat tower...

CwKoch
08-20-2012, 08:46 AM
So has Air Chair gotten rid of all the anti-billet ski propaganda from their website???

Maybe billet skis actually are better?? :slaphead:

Foiler
08-20-2012, 10:34 AM
I think they got rid of it. one of the reasons i started to dislike air chair. trying to make theirs sound better by trashing sky ski especially when it wasn't true. they basically scammed a lot of new people with it though. Now that they really are building a better ski, I am starting to gain respect for them. Sure do love my carbon Air Chair board.

Drossiter
08-24-2012, 08:54 PM
I Rode my V-41 today for the first time today and I thought it rode as good or better than anything I have ever ridden before! I matched the V-41 with a Raptor/Viper combo, AC tower, and AC carbon board. I will be testing other wings with it soon including the new AC (N2O) Area 51 front wing (I have seen it and it looks like a XXX with a small arc). I am really excited to see AC stepping up to the plate. IMO AC has hit a home run with their new products and it is nice to see them back in the game. It is also really nice that you can now mix and match products from various manufacturers and build what you like.

I have also seen the new AC seat belt and I can say without hesitation that it is the best function and design of anything out there. I know that seat belts are not very exciting but I was so impressed with it that I am sure I will end up replacing some of my SS seat belts with it.

EricR
08-24-2012, 09:33 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/a6fa443d-473f-2246.jpg

nobrainsd
08-24-2012, 11:04 PM
Such a tease! C'mon eric give us the scoop. What did you think about the new wing? Fess up.

I'm stoked to see innovation, but I'm happily riding my "ancient" detonator.

EricR
08-25-2012, 01:24 PM
Such a tease! C'mon eric give us the scoop. What did you think about the new wing? Fess up.

I'm stoked to see innovation, but I'm happily riding my "ancient" detonator.

Vesely is having so much fun riding it and is not sharing.... It's ok, I am having so much fun riding my new Cobra/FT 40 that I don't want to try it... I was going to try it this morning but we had 2 boats running and he was not in my boat. Then both boats "broke down" at the floating bar at Foxes. Hope to ride it today or Sunday.

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Tigebri
08-29-2012, 03:02 PM
Such a tease! C'mon eric give us the scoop. What did you think about the new wing? Fess up.

I'm stoked to see innovation, but I'm happily riding my "ancient" detonator.


I love the new AC Area 51 front wing!!!!! I think it rides awesome. It has a ton of power, good lift and generates great pop with minimal effort. It dose land a little on the stiff side, but with the Flex Seat it's good. This wing also lands way better then the prototype I test rode a few months ago. I wish Eric & I could have got together more last weekend. I wanted to ride his new foil, as I know he wanted to give mine a try. Sad to say I packed mine up for the ano shop. Should have it back soon enough.

rob496
08-29-2012, 10:34 PM
Just wondering Brian my flex seat is caving in at the center seems to keep things in the middle and rides good with the same flex just want to know if your havin the same issue

Crashbob
08-29-2012, 11:34 PM
I just got word today that my new AC setup should be here by Friday!:excited: Stoked! AC41 + Brickwall board + Area 51 + UFO + 8.9 oz bindings + AC tower. Good to hear all this good stuff about my new setup. Now I just need to sell my B39.

N2Orbit
08-30-2012, 12:18 AM
Your going to love it! I ride the same exact setup. The Area 51 is the best front wing, I have worked on yet. Big, Lively wing with a ton of Pop.
I just got word today that my new AC setup should be here by Friday!:excited: Stoked! AC41 + Brickwall board + Area 51 + UFO + 8.9 oz bindings + AC tower. Good to hear all this good stuff about my new setup. Now I just need to sell my B39.

Drossiter
09-15-2012, 09:21 PM
I love the new AC Area 51 front wing!!!!! I think it rides awesome. It has a ton of power, good lift and generates great pop with minimal effort. It dose land a little on the stiff side, but with the Flex Seat it's good. This wing also lands way better then the prototype I test rode a few months ago. I wish Eric & I could have got together more last weekend. I wanted to ride his new foil, as I know he wanted to give mine a try. Sad to say I packed mine up for the ano shop. Should have it back soon enough.

I rode my new Area 51/UFO wing today (on my AC V-41 setup) and I agree completly with Brian, a ton of power, great pop but stiff on landings. The only thing I would add is that the Area 51 is very stabble and recovers easily from not so perfect landings. I was concerned that it would be a touch glichy because of the arc shape but it tracked and handled very well. I was able to get much higher (and land it) with this wing. I know that there have been several revisions of this wing by N2O and AC to get it ready for mass production and I think they got it perfect! When a pro like Brian says a wing is good, it does not mean that an average Joe like me will be able to ride or appreciate it but in this case it looks it works for everyone.

Crashbob
09-16-2012, 04:13 PM
I rode my whole new AC-41 Area 51/UFO setup on Friday. It was the very first time I had it in the water and hadn't tuned or shimmed anything yet. I noticed a little bit of glitchy, especially with a lot of negative shim AND with the rear wing moved back just behind center. Some funny wobble on the wings. But as soon as I move the rear wing forward about 1/4 inch, it cleaned up VERY nicely and rode very stable. It felt like moving it forward pulled the rear wing up out of the wake turbulence of the front wing. I think I will probably take out a little more lift next time, and move the wing another 1/4-1/2 inch further forward, but I was really impressed and had a great time riding after things stabilized. Cuts to the flats were super hard and rock steady. No dropping or lifting. Very little foot pressure. Landings rarely made it to the board. Reflight was so smooth and quick with very little un-wanted relaunch tendency. Wake jump, land on the wing, and immediately cut out to the flats. Sweet! Big pop. I was riding 2 MPH slower than usual (usually ride at 24MPH) and was easily getting better pop and height than with my old SkySki Max Air. The landings were a little harder than the Max Air, but the tower softer, so it worked out nicely. The landings seemed quite a bit softer than the Xtreme Black Ops/Viper combo. They also seemed to drag less and ride quicker than that combo.

I'm stoked by my new ride. I think Marty and AC nailed these wings and the whole setup is sweet!

Tigebri
09-17-2012, 02:16 PM
Just wondering Brian my flex seat is caving in at the center seems to keep things in the middle and rides good with the same flex just want to know if your havin the same issue


I have changed up my seat. I switched from the Flex Seat to a G-10 on the Air Chair tower. I could not believe the difference in the landings!!!!! SOOOO much softer! Same board, tower frame and foil set up. I highly recomend the Air Chair G-10 tower.

Tigebri
09-17-2012, 02:21 PM
I rode my new Area 51/UFO wing today (on my AC V-41 setup) and I agree completly with Brian, a ton of power, great pop but stiff on landings. The only thing I would add is that the Area 51 is very stabble and recovers easily from not so perfect landings. I was concerned that it would be a touch glichy because of the arc shape but it tracked and handled very well. I was able to get much higher (and land it) with this wing. I know that there have been several revisions of this wing by N2O and AC to get it ready for mass production and I think they got it perfect! When a pro like Brian says a wing is good, it does not mean that an average Joe like me will be able to ride or appreciate it but in this case it looks it works for everyone.

Glad to hear it! Keep fly'in!!! Marty is a great designer, and him with Air Chair are doing great things in the sport. It got me back into riding for real again.

EricR
10-10-2012, 10:35 PM
I got 3 runs in on Vesely's AC setup last weekend. I really like the way it rides. The Area 51 explodes when it comes out of the water. I will be taking video on the 20th so I can do some frame counting to compare how PFC riders do on 3 different setups. Area 51 / UFO .... Cobra / Viper ... FT DB...
Sent from my van down by the river!

Tortuga
04-15-2013, 10:30 AM
I got 3 runs in on Vesely's AC setup last weekend. I really like the way it rides. The Area 51 explodes when it comes out of the water. I will be taking video on the 20th so I can do some frame counting to compare how PFC riders do on 3 different setups. Area 51 / UFO .... Cobra / Viper ... FT DB...
Sent from my van down by the river!
So how did it turn out on the comparison?

EricR
04-16-2013, 05:07 PM
So how did it turn out on the comparison?


The comparison? Turns out PFC prefers Coors Light over Bud Select 55! We did not have a camera and we spent a lot of time trying to get Tim's ski dialed in. He had purchased the following: XAir board, FT40, XAir tower (shorty), Cobra/Viper, and FT BD/Rear Wing. Because the FT tbar had so much unfinished tbar exposed the ski had bad suck down.

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Tim got his new XAir tower and there appears to still be an issue with unfinished tbar exposed below the tbar. This is with an AC tbar. I will have to have him snap a picture of his FT tbar in the ski to see if it also hangs low.

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Foiler
04-16-2013, 07:07 PM
The comparison? Turns out PFC prefers Coors Light over Bud Select 55! We did not have a camera and we spent a lot of time trying to get Tim's ski dialed in. He had purchased the following: XAir board, FT40, XAir tower (shorty), Cobra/Viper, and FT BD/Rear Wing. Because the FT tbar had so much unfinished tbar exposed the ski had bad suck down.

9434

Tim got his new XAir tower and there appears to still be an issue with unfinished tbar exposed below the tbar. This is with an AC tbar. I will have to have him snap a picture of his FT tbar in the ski to see if it also hangs low.

9435

Dang, I was kinda looking forward to hearing an unbiased comparison too!!! Even though I figured out a long time ago that no matter how much I spend it doesn't seem to make me a good foiler! I am pretty good at drinking beer though so thanks for that info!!

I am super interested in T-bars too so if you ever do decide to do a good comparison, please feel free to give some input on those too.

Thanks!

shot
04-18-2013, 12:13 AM
In certain cases I noticed problems caused of the Tbar/board gap.
I found out it caused mostly to improper mounting of the assembly.
To fix it easily:
- Pull out you Tbar
- use one up to 3 layers of ductape around the tbar where it sits in the borad.
- Loose the Seat to board bolts
- Put the Tbar in the board/seat (note it may sit little tight in the board)
- pull tight the Tbar / seat bolts first
- Than pull tight the seat/board bolts
- make sure no ducttape is below the board


Doing so you make sure the seat/board is mountet 100% in line.


I'm currendly using a short tower and having no issues doing so - even in cold water (like board lock) .
Not sure how AC/Bob W. sanded or reshaped my Tbar geometry in the tower area.


BTW: Please use 3 shoulder bolts in all your Tbars if you can.
(http://www.foilforum.com/forums/showthread.php?7134-Tower-Hardware)

EricR
04-18-2013, 12:09 PM
Looks like the problem is solved with the new XAir tower.... Green is AC bar, polished is FT tbar....

As for geometry... Did you use the same tapper that AC was using on their cast V-38 tbar or did you use something else when you designed your bar Shot? I am guessing different as you could have a more aggressive tapper due to the strength of billet over cast.

shot
04-21-2013, 01:42 AM
The tapper has nothing to do with the V-38 of AC.