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Jay
08-27-2012, 10:53 PM
The newest version of X Air (Heinrich Horth's) X40 T-Bar has been named the DD40. The Double D Forty is deep drilled. And everyone likes double d's right?:excited:

I have not ridden the Gen1 X40 but I did ride the AC40. Back when Air Chair was under new management Nathan was working with Heinrich to refine the X40. I rode the AC40 (not to be confused with the V41) and it was a good riding bar (one day on the Parker Strip at 24mph). I noticed no issues other than an audible twang on loaded take offs. This bar struggled at higher speeds and the AC riders of 2011 battled with this bar for a whole summer. But it was not in vain because what came out of the hours of grinding, filing, sanding, and polishing was a great product.

A couple of things right out of the box. This bar is a work of art. Not that all the billet bars are not a work of art but this one has some sexy curves. The top is not milled out to reduce weight. It's left solid for a couple reasons. 1, is because of the deep drilling. 2, Because it adds stiffness. The board plug fits the AC board perfectly and is long enough so the people with the SkySki flat bottom boards won't have suck down issues. There are 4 holes drilled. No hole in the fuselage like the GEN1 X40. There are 2 sets of holes in the rear for the widest range of adjustability. I never weighed the bar without wings on it but with the Black Ops and Viper the foil assembly weighed in at 15lb 7.8oz. For reference the Fuse40 w/ Detonator and UFO was scaled at 15lb even. So why make a bar so thick and heavy just to drill it out? I think the original goal might have been weight savings but the end result is a super stiff 40" bar. For you big air guys, a stiff bar adds power to the wing because the wings don't deflect from the pressure as much. I would imagine that a stiff bar might make the landings a little harder but that's what the Cobra is for right? I gave the bar and my wings a good hard wet sand with some 2500 grit for the ultimate mirror finish and then applied my trusty SharkHide sealant. SHARKHIDE IS THE BOMB!!! Worth every penny!!!

First ride, there was a little more drag with this bar compared to the FT38 and the FUSE40 I have the most time on. I was able to cut through the wake at full speed once my confidence was up. The bar was glitch free all the way up to 26.6mph. I did need to add a touch of lift to the wings. I set the wheelbase the same as it was before. After the first run was out of the way it left a good impression.

Day 2, now that I had a little more seat time to adjust (I changed towers and rear wings recently) I was riding just like the old setup but this bar is stiffer. It's kind of like when you changed from that old spring board to the stiff carbon board. You didn't really know there was movement until the movement was gone. I noticed no twang. I am still getting used to the wing swap so my riding is a bit inconsistent but I probably managed a 51-53 frame roll in the set somewhere.

So is there anything bad about the bar? Well, unfortunately it is very expensive. The deep drill option (which shouldn't be left off this bar) is $500 alone. But if you are a true foil freak and live the sport you will find a way to afford it.

IMHO this bar has set the bar. If you truly are a big air guy or want to take your air to the next level this bar should be on your list of must haves.

thatguychad
08-28-2012, 08:32 AM
Jay are there any pics of it? Where can I find details on it and where can it be purchased?

Jay
08-28-2012, 09:40 AM
Jay are there any pics of it? Where can I find details on it and where can it be purchased?
I can take some pictures later today.
Contact email xair@xairfoils.com

YJim
08-28-2012, 10:05 AM
"Alright everyone! I have a few deep hole drilled 40" Tbars available in this order. They are $3,000 plus s/h. Send us an email if you want one. Thanks! Tracy"
xair@xairfoils.com

blockparty
08-28-2012, 11:58 AM
"$3,000 plus s/h. "
xair@xairfoils.com
WOW! :shocked:

swayze
08-28-2012, 12:27 PM
WOW! :shocked:

wait till you hear what they want for their board.

popeonarope
08-28-2012, 01:21 PM
I've been riding this Tbar for about a year and really love it! It took me a few sets to get the timing and feel, but I have had a really fun year of riding and feel like the equipment has made a real difference. The bar rides very well in any water condition I've been in. No glitches at the wake or otherwise. The thing I love most about it is how solid and sturdy it is. You can really feel the power when loading up for a big wake roll or front. Also feels solid on the combos.

At first glance, $3000 does seem steep, but you have to consider the amount of aluminum used and the deep drill process... both costly. You also have to consider that one of the biggest design goals was strength and durability. Again, this is the piece I love the most. A new LE38 on SS's website is listed at over $2800 and unless I am wrong, there has been little improvements over the last few years in the overall design to improve durability. Since I broke 2, LE38's in 2 months last year, $3000 for a new DD40 that is designed to last seems like a deal to me. :)

Pope

Mike
08-28-2012, 01:31 PM
$3,000 obo.

superman79
08-28-2012, 02:36 PM
wait till you hear what they want for their board.

Do tell!

raymanrox
08-28-2012, 02:52 PM
I've been riding this Tbar for about a year and really love it! It took me a few sets to get the timing and feel, but I have had a really fun year of riding and feel like the equipment has made a real difference. The bar rides very well in any water condition I've been in. No glitches at the wake or otherwise. The thing I love most about it is how solid and sturdy it is. You can really feel the power when loading up for a big wake roll or front. Also feels solid on the combos.

At first glance, $3000 does seem steep, but you have to consider the amount of aluminum used and the deep drill process... both costly. You also have to consider that one of the biggest design goals was strength and durability. Again, this is the piece I love the most. A new LE38 on SS's website is listed at over $2800 and unless I am wrong, there has been little improvements over the last few years in the overall design to improve durability. Since I broke 2, LE38's in 2 months last year, $3000 for a new DD40 that is designed to last seems like a deal to me. :)

Pope

You can always do like Pope and get the 'cheap' non-drilled version...at 15 lbs! Pope, how do you ride that thing, or pick it up? And you used to complain about my heavy shock tower...that ski does ride really well though!!

Mike
08-28-2012, 03:08 PM
You can always do like Pope and get the 'cheap' non-drilled version...at 15 lbs! Pope, how do you ride that thing, or pick it up? And you used to complain about my heavy shock tower...that ski does ride really well though!!

Whoa... What does the drilled one weigh? What are the differences between this and the problematic X40 that was out a year and a half ago? Besides the price :)

http://www.foilforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8599&d=1346169913

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/mgolemb/x40.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/mgolemb/x40-2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/mgolemb/X40_F_.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/mgolemb/x40raptorviper2.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj12/mgolemb/x40raptorviper.jpg

Crashbob
08-28-2012, 03:18 PM
The new drilled one is supposed to weigh right around 10 lbs.

The price of the board is right around $2000. :ohmy:

swayze
08-28-2012, 03:21 PM
Do tell!

I got a email from Tracy at xair and they figure the boards are going to be $2k.

I did get a chance to ride the xair tbar at the beginning of summer and it does ride sweet.

PillHill
08-28-2012, 05:36 PM
Shouldn't the pictures of the 40DD go in the foil porn thread?:wink:

bstroop
08-28-2012, 06:03 PM
I guess can't be upset with Sky Ski's pricing anymore......

tinyE
08-28-2012, 08:27 PM
I guess can't be upset with Sky Ski's pricing anymore......

Haha for realz.

5k and I still can't ride it! :)

I know there is an xair seat tower,
And if we add shuyes new front and rear wings, what are we up to? $8k?

bstroop
08-28-2012, 09:05 PM
Haha for realz.

5k and I still can't ride it! :)

I know there is an xair seat tower,
And if we add shuyes new front and rear wings, what are we up to? $8k?

All these high rollers buying all the new stuff and I can't even find anyone to sell me a LEX........I though someone would have had one laying in a corner. Someone throw a brother a bone here......:cool2:

I-Rider
08-28-2012, 09:55 PM
These prices are comical. I'm sitting here with a broken 10 hole LE 38 wondering if I can even afford to get back in the sport. Here"s to good friends letting me borrow their equipment.

theking
08-28-2012, 10:50 PM
All these high rollers buying all the new stuff and I can't even find anyone to sell me a LEX........I though someone would have had one laying in a corner. Someone throw a brother a bone here......:cool2:


http://www.foilforum.com/forums/showthread.php?6538-LEx-Complete-Ski-for-Sale

tinyE
08-28-2012, 11:14 PM
These prices are comical. I'm sitting here with a broken 10 hole LE 38 wondering if I can even afford to get back in the sport. Here"s to good friends letting me borrow their equipment.

Well I realize material is a big part of the cost, but I think supply and demand are as well. I love the innovation that new mfgrs have come up with, but hate the resultant pricing. Even SkySki had to raise their prices to make up for lost revenues. I believe the price of aluminum is also somehow tied to crude oil (can't remember the relationship there).

Perhaps we can convince the banks to do 30 yr notes like they do boats! :)

Jay
08-29-2012, 12:31 AM
These prices are comical. I'm sitting here with a broken 10 hole LE 38 wondering if I can even afford to get back in the sport. Here"s to good friends letting me borrow their equipment.
There is no reason you can't ride. Big 5 sells wakeboards complete for $120. BOOYA!

This bar is for enthusiasts. Sky Ski sells B39 bars for 1/3 the price.

JakeBradley
08-29-2012, 01:18 AM
There is no reason you can't ride. Big 5 sells wakeboards complete for $120. BOOYA!

This bar is for addicts. Sky Ski sells B39 bars for 1/3 the price.

*Fixed.

nobrainsd
08-29-2012, 01:45 AM
Ahh Young I Rider, It is a harsh and rough road where your fellow travelers choose to mock your lack of funds. No one likes to think of their t bar as a commodity with a limited lifespan and no residual value! Sort of makes one look at the investment a little differently. 2K for a board from x air. Dang. That should have a pretty good warranty eh?

I'm stoked to see the manufactures chasing the high end. It does drive innovation. I have friends that ride 5k bikes and they don't last forever if you huck off stuff. The high end does drift down to the mid range over time in the bike world. That is what we are not seeing in the foiling world. The last big thing doesn't drop in price. Partially a function of material and cnc costs, but mostly a lack of volume. Otherwise we would be seeing cheap t bars from China.

raymanrox
08-29-2012, 06:45 AM
The new drilled one is supposed to weigh right around 10 lbs.

The price of the board is right around $2000. :ohmy:

What I remember hearing was right around 12 lbs. 11 lbs for AC and FT, and 10 for SS 38 tbar?

TX Foilhead
08-29-2012, 08:12 AM
My Samson X40 was supposed to be around 12lbs, I've never weighed it, but someone did when they came out. The N2O bars are very light, the Fuse 39 is under 10lbs and wouldn't think the 40 weighs much more. I suspect that Pope's tbar weighs about the same as mine since I see no major changes. It feels heaier because the weight is out at the fuselage and the Xtreme wings are on the portly side too. Both of my foils are basically the same up top and the individual assemblies (tbar and wings, board and seat) feel about the same until you put them together. Ready to ride they feel like there is a major difference even though it's only about 2 lbs. The original Samson X40's lost about 1/2 lb for each hole drilled which should put them around 10.5 lbs or so, no proof of that just did the math on what the material removed should weigh.

Yes, this is for the addicts, but don't forget the Sudweks (sp?) proved you don't new stuff to go big at nationals a few years back.

Jay
08-29-2012, 08:14 AM
*Fixed.
Hi. My name is Big Jay. I love the lake and hydrofoiling even more. Someone please help me...

:slaphead:

Foil~N~Powell
08-29-2012, 08:18 AM
Hi. My name is Big Jay. I love the lake and hydrofoiling even more. Someone please help me...

:slaphead:God helps those who help themselves. Thats why he got you the new DD40!

Jay
08-29-2012, 08:18 AM
My Samson X40 was supposed to be around 12lbs, I've never weighed it, but someone did when they came out. The N2O bars are very light, the Fuse 39 is under 10lbs and wouldn't think the 40 weighs much more. I suspect that Pope's tbar weighs about the same as mine since I see no major changes. It feels heaier because the weight is out at the fuselage and the Xtreme wings are on the portly side too. Both of my foils are basically the same up top and the individual assemblies (tbar and wings, board and seat) feel about the same until you put them together. Ready to ride they feel like there is a major difference even though it's only about 2 lbs. The original Samson X40's lost about 1/2 lb for each hole drilled which should put them around 10.5 lbs or so, no proof of that just did the math on what the material removed should weigh.

Yes, this is for the addicts, but don't forget the Sudweks (sp?) proved you don't new stuff to go big at nationals a few years back.Your right you don't need new equipment. You need 30mph.

superman79
08-29-2012, 10:22 AM
Big Jay, you mentioned it is thicker for the stiffness and to be able to deep drill, what is the thickness of the new bar?

Crashbob
08-29-2012, 10:32 AM
What I remember hearing was right around 12 lbs. 11 lbs for AC and FT, and 10 for SS 38 tbar?

I just did a lot of digging around and talked to a lot of people because I just bought a new setup. I think Nate told me that their t-bar was just over 10 lbs. I could be remembering wrong, though.

popeonarope
08-29-2012, 10:44 AM
I just talked to Nathan and confirmed that the deep drilled DD40 bars are between 10-11 lbs. The weight does vary by a few ounces between drilled bars because the depth of drilling may be a few mm different. He is not selling non-drilled bars as an option, but there are several of them out there that came from the first batch that was produced without the drilling process last year. Those bars are around the 12.5-13lb range. The current bar I ride is from that batch.

Pope

Rich Peck
08-29-2012, 11:49 AM
What I remember hearing was right around 12 lbs. 11 lbs for AC and FT, and 10 for SS 38 tbar?


Ray,
My Skyski Anser 38 Tbar is 9.5

Suicidal-Element
08-29-2012, 11:49 AM
Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what one of my kidneys will go for on the black market. It think it is a fair trade for a new T-bar!!! :excited:

Paul_Queen
08-29-2012, 02:51 PM
Prices are too high.....but by comparison....Skysky LE-38 tbar is listed at $2835 on there website, so at $3000 this tbar is only $165 more. If all of the newer tbars perform well ( which everyone says they do ), then the things to compare are price, weight, and durability. I would think that weight and durability are probably mutually exclusive. Lower weight would likely mean more breakable to a big air rider. For those of us not going 55 frames, low weight may be very attractive as we aren't likely to be pushing the limits of the tbars structural ability's. Wings tie in too.....the bigger the wings...the more stress on the tbar....the more likely the tbar to break. Buy what works for you.

Jay
08-29-2012, 02:55 PM
God helps those who help themselves. Thats why he got you the new DD40!
God had nuttin' to do with it. The mother of all garage liquidation sales made it possible.

Jay
08-29-2012, 03:39 PM
Ya know it's kind of funny. When SS came out with their LE board a few years ago everyone thought it was nuts to pay $900. The AC came out with their carbon board $1200 ?!?! WTF. Then the Matrix, $1700. Now the X-Air black is $2000.

It's all relative though. If you want to be the best you can be it helps to ride the best you can afford. If you were into mountain bikes would you be riding a $200 Huffy or a $5000 Carbon rig? Depends how serious about your riding you are. I had a 1000 horsepower Mustang. Do you think the stock transmission was in that car? Nope. How about a $6000 trans swap. Makes that spendy hydrofoil seem cheap to me.

You will never see a DD40 or a black board in a Pro Shop. If you are a casual rider that likes to go out and do basic inverts and maybe hit 50 frames once in a blue moon maybe you should stick to a b39. But if your goal is to go out and hit the water with 100% effort into personal progression then any equipment that will aid in the fulfillment of your goal should be considered.

I remember when the Supra (car) was all the rage in the early 2000's. There were guys that claimed the "best time with stock turbos" but in the end no one really cared. It would be funny to see someone go for the SS Pro Big Air record. But it's not something that would wow me like Fern's 60 framer.

Its not that these parts should be cheaper but that you should only spend what you think is reasonable to your riding and passion. The DD40 is for guys near the top of the Big Air list. If you are a super tech guy like Louie, Vasquez, Kohler, and other combo and spin machines why would you spend $3000 on a long, stiff bar when a 34-38" bar for $1000+ less will do what you need it to.

On top of that you can take into consideration that the record of 57 frames was on a 37" bar in 2008 until Last year's flatland Flyin. But with the longer bars and bigger more expensive wings has made 55 frames a lot easier to achieve.

The black board takes so much time to build that X-Air is only able to lay up 2 per week max. No wonder it's so expensive. When I look at the group photos from Flyins I look at the large number of LE flat bottoms and carbon boards and it tells me that passionate people are finding ways to afford the best equipment they can.

blmeanie
08-29-2012, 03:58 PM
Its not that these parts should be cheaper but that you should only spend what you think is reasonable to your riding and passion.

I agree completely that "you should only spend what you think is reasonable to your riding and passion" - perfect statement

My 40 lb tank of a B39 with a Rock tower is my passion, for now and for quite a while to come...doesn't mean I ain't looking at those turbo powered Supras others are riding though...

skyskiguy
08-29-2012, 07:58 PM
Yes, this is for the addicts, but don't forget the Sudweks (sp?) proved you don't new stuff to go big at nationals a few years back.

Sudweeks, Trevor and Brandon.

EricR
09-08-2012, 04:02 PM
I just talked to Nathan and confirmed that the deep drilled DD40 bars are between 10-11 lbs.

Jay... Post a pic of the tbar on a scale....

Jay
09-08-2012, 04:17 PM
Jay... Post a pic of the tbar on a scale....That requires taking the ski apart.

EricR
09-08-2012, 06:49 PM
That requires taking the ski apart.

A man concerned with the weight of his ski must surely know the exact weight of his new tbar? :wink:

YJim
09-09-2012, 05:41 PM
A man concerned with the weight of his ski must surely know the exact weight of his new tbar? :wink:

:-)... ComeOnJay... Spill the beans!

TX Foilhead
09-09-2012, 05:49 PM
With all the precision machine work the manufacturers should have a pretty exact idea about what any aluminum piece should weigh. The boards are different, but other pieces shouldn't be.

EricR
09-09-2012, 09:24 PM
Even with deep drilling you wouldn't think there would be a pound variance either....

Sent from my van down by the river!

EricR
09-18-2012, 09:09 AM
:-)... ComeOnJay... Spill the beans!

Anyone with a DD40 have a pic of it on a scale or know the exact weight?

XAir
09-18-2012, 09:42 AM
I will be in the shop in a few minutes and I will post pictures of raw weights along with pictures weights of some of the finished products. These weights will vary due to the amount of material taken off during tuning. For instance, you can ride a bar that is sharper in my water. Meaning, I do not remove as much material. However, in other lakes the tuning is different. The tbar will be less sharp and more material will be removed, thus making the bar lighter. This is the reason for small weight variances. No, they are not necessarily a full pound variance. These tbars are tuned by hand and the weights do vary, generally around a few ounces; however, I am not tying myself to specifics due to the nature of tuning.

TX Foilhead
09-18-2012, 09:45 AM
There was one apart at the TX Flyin, but since we didn't have the official postal scale I'll wait for Justin's response. :cool2:

EricR
09-18-2012, 09:51 AM
Thanks Nate...

Sent from my van down by the river!

XAir
09-18-2012, 10:52 AM
No problem I hope I was of some assistance

Mike
09-18-2012, 11:25 AM
everybody is waiting......

Who is handling the tuning of these bars??

XAir
09-18-2012, 12:07 PM
everybody is waiting......

Who is handling the tuning of these bars??

I tune these tbars personally.I also ride every single one before it is shipped. I will load the pictures tonight when I get to my office computer.

Suicidal-Element
09-18-2012, 12:54 PM
I also ride every single one before it is shipped.

Damn, that is a bum deal Nate!!! If you need help riding these amazing T-bars, let me know!!!! :rolleyes:

XAir
09-18-2012, 07:59 PM
I took all the pictures of the tbars and ran off and left them at the shop.I will post pics and weights in the morning
sorry about that.

EricR
09-18-2012, 08:07 PM
Big Jay sent me this!

Sent from my van down by the river!

Mike
09-18-2012, 09:45 PM
Now the question is - is it worthy of its hefty price tag....? AND why?

Jay
09-18-2012, 10:13 PM
Is it worth deep drilling? Not sure yet. I mean Fern and Pope are riding the heavy non drilled bars. But time will tell.

TX Foilhead
09-19-2012, 07:35 AM
Lighter than I would have guessed, the fish scale at the TX Flyin was over that but I didn't really expect it to be that accurate. Picking it up, it didn't feel noticably lighter than my non drilled Samson X40, but the scale obviously tells a different story. This leads me to believe that weight taken from some areas is much more noticeable than others and has a more noticeable effets on tricks depending on where that weight is removed. A lightweight board is more noticeable to the rider than a light weight tbar. Fern and Pope seem to prove that the heavy bars aren't holding them down in the frame counts.

raymanrox
09-19-2012, 08:18 AM
Lighter than I would have guessed, the fish scale at the TX Flyin was over that but I didn't really expect it to be that accurate. Picking it up, it didn't feel noticably lighter than my non drilled Samson X40, but the scale obviously tells a different story. This leads me to believe that weight taken from some areas is much more noticeable than others and has a more noticeable effets on tricks depending on where that weight is removed. A lightweight board is more noticeable to the rider than a light weight tbar. Fern and Pope seem to prove that the heavy bars aren't holding them down in the frame counts.

Watching pope's overall riding improve since getting that bar convinces me the extra tbar weight doesnt mean anything, except it is way harder to put it in the rack after you ride a couple of times!

TX Foilhead
09-19-2012, 08:51 AM
Watching pope's overall riding improve since getting that bar convinces me the extra tbar weight doesnt mean anything, except it is way harder to put it in the rack after you ride a couple of times!

I'll agree with that, both my foils are very similar and the weight difference is just a couple of pounds, but the X40 tbar feels much heavier to pick up.

EricR
09-19-2012, 09:44 AM
Looking forward to some pics and weights from Nate. You need to get the new website going also.

shot
09-19-2012, 10:01 AM
swing weight matters - a lot

EricR
09-19-2012, 12:21 PM
swing weight matters - a lot

How deep are the holes? Deep enough to make a difference? Or is most of the material taken out near the tower?

Also.... I asked a structural engineer and a buddy that runs a CNC shop about removing the material from inside the strut. I asked if they thought the increased surface area (made by drilling holes) would increase the stiffness of the bar. Both said no and would weaken the structure. So I guess the stiffness and strength (after removing material) would have to come from a thicker strut?

Jay
09-19-2012, 01:11 PM
How deep are the holes? Deep enough to make a difference? Or is most of the material taken out near the tower?

Also.... I asked a structural engineer and a buddy that runs a CNC shop about removing the material from inside the strut. I asked if they thought the increased surface area (made by drilling holes) would increase the stiffness of the bar. Both said no and would weaken the structure. So I guess the stiffness and strength (after removing material) would have to come from a thicker strut?
We need to get together and compare bars. With Vesley too. We can all ride them, record the runs on GoPro, count the frames and then give our opinions to the masses. I'm sure they all ride fine. My Fuse rode great. But like I said. You don't notice something is missin until its gone. I can't say that the DD40 is better than the rest but I went bigger on the DD40 with Cobra/Viper on the 3rd ride at the same speed then I did all season on the Fuse the Black Ops/UFO. I did go 53f on the Fuse40 Detonator/UFO so it's not much of an improvement but I have only ridden the new foil 3 times. I hoping with this new equipment and some better technique I will hit my 55f at 24mph goal.

TX Foilhead
09-19-2012, 02:11 PM
We need to get together and compare bars. With Vesley too. We can all ride them, record the runs on GoPro, count the frames and then give our opinions to the masses. I'm sure they all ride fine. My Fuse rode great. But like I said. You don't notice something is missin until its gone. I can't say that the DD40 is better than the rest but I went bigger on the DD40 with Cobra/Viper on the 3rd ride at the same speed then I did all season on the Fuse the Black Ops/UFO. I did go 53f on the Fuse40 Detonator/UFO so it's not much of an improvement but I have only ridden the new foil 3 times. I hoping with this new equipment and some better technique I will hit my 55f at 24mph goal.

So you've been pimpin' the tbar when it could have just been a wing change? :slaphead:

The holes should go all the way down the strut, that's where the expense comes from. I think I calculated there was only about 1/2 lb that could be shead in the seat tower area by trimming mine down which is hardly worth the effort. Removing material does weaken things, but I can't imagine Heinrich didn't take that into account when he came up with the idea. My guess is even with the holes it is as strong as a normal 7000 series tbar. You also have to figure that nobody is breaking them at the strut so removing material there should be fairly safe.

Jay
09-19-2012, 03:04 PM
The sad part is I have probably reached my goal but without the film rolling I will never know. I have had a few that were really big. My butt-o-meter never lies!

Yogurt
09-21-2012, 07:28 PM
You need to get the new website going also.

Working on it now. Should be very soon.

Cliff

Chad
10-05-2012, 08:58 AM
We need to get together and compare bars.

Need to say "No Homo" before posting this kind of statement!

Jay
10-05-2012, 06:17 PM
Need to say "No Homo" before posting this kind of statement!Noted! NO HOMO, we should compare bars some day.

Drossiter
11-27-2012, 08:19 PM
The Christmas prices on the XAir post looked good, can someone that knows answer a few questions I have about the DD40 t-bar?

How deep and what is the diameter of the holes that are drilled? How many holes are drilled in the strut and do the holes fill up with water or are they filled with a lightweight filler? Does the DD40 have a tapered strut like the AC V40 or is it more like the other standard t-bars?

EricR
11-27-2012, 08:48 PM
The Christmas prices on the XAir post looked good, can someone that knows answer a few questions I have about the DD40 t-bar?

How deep and what is the diameter of the holes that are drilled? How many holes are drilled in the strut and do the holes fill up with water or are they filled with a lightweight filler? Does the DD40 have a tapered strut like the AC V40 or is it more like the other standard t-bars?

Buy the entire setup... That will give you an even 14 skis! Next, come to the Havasu Flyin and bring all your rides down....

TX Foilhead
11-27-2012, 09:15 PM
Buy the entire setup... That will give you an even 14 skis! Next, come to the Havasu Flyin and bring all your rides down....

That would require a semi to transport.



I have a Samson X40 and have seen and held the X Air tbar. The X Air bar had 4 holes that were unplugged and I didn't see a noticeable difference between that one and mine. If there is any taper it is very slight, on the Air Chair bar from last year it was noticeable. As far as the holes go I'm thinking open is better. If they're sealed and they leak you have water that may be pitting the bar from the inside, not sure it would happen, but it is possible. I've seen the pits from having wet equiptment. Unseald it would dry and not cause this and any added weight would be dumped on the first invert.

Drossiter
11-27-2012, 09:16 PM
Buy the entire setup... That will give you an even 14 skis! Next, come to the Havasu Flyin and bring all your rides down....

I am really trying to cut down, I told my wife that I would not buy anymore ski's or parts unless I sold one first. So with this in mind, I would have to sell one of my B39's to get a DD40, seems like a good trade to me.

Count me in for the Havasu Flyin!

TX Foilhead
11-27-2012, 09:17 PM
Just so everyone is on the same page, X air bar had 4 holes. I updated the previous post.

EricR
02-04-2013, 07:09 PM
I forgot to get a ride on Adams or Bryans tbars but I did weigh the FT 40 (green) and DD (Nano)

YJim
02-04-2013, 07:59 PM
Ok, I'll bite... Why is the Nano coated DD40 look all scratched up?

EricR
02-04-2013, 08:24 PM
Ok, I'll bite... Why is the Nano coated DD40 look all scratched up?

Nope... plastic wrap on it. It looked really good. Like HD Shark Hide!

EricR
02-04-2013, 08:42 PM
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